Thinking about buying or insuring a boat in Preveza Greece??

Friday 3 March 2017

Thinking of buying an ex-charter yacht in Greece?



Thinking of buying a yacht in Greece? There are good bargains to be had here, especially in the autumn at the end of the charter season. But there are pitfalls to be aware of too.
The majority of boats listed with brokers here are ex-charter yachts, known as Greek professional yachts. Some people shy away from ex-charter yachts, believing it equivalent to buying a second-hand vehicle from a car hire firm. While a single private owner may keep a yacht in better condition, not all charter yachts are hammered or poorly maintained.
In fact, what most people don’t realise is that a lot of the professional yachts in Greece are owned by individuals not by charter companies. The owners must charter them out for a certain number of days each year in order to benefit from VAT and other advantages given to professional yachts.
Often the owner will charter for the minimum number of days to retain professional status and to cover the annual mooring and maintenance costs of the yacht.
If you are prepared to spend time looking around you’ll find a big difference in the appearance of yachts of the same age, with some  looking ‘tired’ from heavy use while others seem years younger.

 

FINDING A SUITABLE YACHT

A search on the Internet will bring up numerous websites with yachts for sale in Greece.
A company that we have recently dealt with and found good are:
Network Yacht brokers – Contact Contact info@nyblefkas.com

THE SURVEY

Having found a yacht you want to buy I strongly recommend that you have it surveyed by a professional surveyor. It is not unknown for a charter yacht to suffer major hull damage, be patched up by an unscrupulous owner, and then offered for resale with no mention of the damage.
“Buyer Beware” should certainly be your motto.
If you are not knowledgeable about boats a survey is essential.
A survey will not only protect you from buying a boat with technical problems but it is also required by most insurance companies.
Surveys cost from 500 Euros. There can be major difference in price between surveyors so check what they offer you and what comeback you have if they miss a major defect!

GREEK FLAG

99% of Greek professional yachts are Greek-flagged.
If the boat is flagged in another country then the rules of that country will apply and you need advice from a qualified broker.
If you are not a Greek citizen or an EU citizen resident in Greece you will need to change flag if the boat is intended for private use.
You can normally keep Greek flag if you intend to set up a charter business in this country.

SALES PRICE

We were once advised never to pay a Greek the price he asks for anything, as he will always expect you to bargain…
This is certainly true when it comes to boats. You should be able to negotiate down from the initial asking price. A good survey may give you ammunition for this, as few used boats will be without any defects.
The surveyor should be able to advise you what the ‘going rate’ is for the type of yacht you are interested in.
We have heard that some brokers in Greece do not work on a fixed commission basis. They will agree a price with the owner that he/she will accept. They then try to obtain as high a price as possible from the purchaser. Their commission is the difference. The extra they add to the ‘owner’s price’ can be quite considerable.

VAT

Greek professional yachts will have been purchased VAT exempt. If you are an EU national, you will be required to pay the VAT in addition to the purchase price.
The VAT rate in Greece is 23% but often you can negotiate with the Seller and it is not unknown for deals to be reached where you pay only an additional 5% and the Seller handles the payment of VAT.
You may be exempted from payment of VAT if you are involved in commercial activity that includes boat chartering.
If you are a non E.U. Citizen you won’t need to pay the outstanding VAT, but you will require the yacht to be custom cleared from the E.U. This takes several days and costs about 800 Euro.

 TYPICAL PURCHASE PROCEDURE

Having found a yacht, you negotiate a price with the broker and reach an agreement. You should be supplied with an inventory for the yacht so you know exactly what is included in the sale.
You need a solicitor to act for you during the sale. Your solicitor will protect you by ensuring that there are no encumbrances or debts on the yacht, and that the ownership situation and titles are clear.
The solicitor will prepare an M.O.A. (Memorandum of Agreement) stating all the details of the transaction, including terms, dates and payments, and what comes with the boat. This Memorandum should be conditional on a survey.
The M.O.A. will be signed by both Buyer and Seller.
You arrange a survey of the yacht and, on the basis of this, either agree the price, re-negotiate, or in some cases the wisest action may be to walk away!
You normally pay a deposit of 10-20% of the purchase price to your solicitor as soon as possible in order to have a legally binding agreement. Your solicitor will pay this to the seller after all the necessary documents have been handed over to him.
You must send the balance of the purchase price to the solicitor in time to comply with the provisions negotiated when drafting the Memorandum of Agreement. The solicitor will pay the full purchase price to the seller only after he has made sure that all legal and tax requirements have been taken care of by the seller and after all required documents have been handed over to him by the seller.
As part of the sales process the yacht will be deleted from the Greek registry. Upon deletion an official ownership certificate will be issued from the Hellenic Registrar of Shipping. The certificate will confirm that the boat is free from encumbrances and liens.
In the meantime you can arrange registration for the boat in your country.
After completion of all the paperwork you can take over your boat here in Greece or you can arrange to have it delivered to wherever you intend to keep her.

HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?

When we bought our boat the process seemed to take forever! Brokers we have spoken to give around 5 weeks as the duration of the purchase process from signing of the M.O.A. to deletion from the Greek Registry. However, I think these may be Greek weeks and a little longer than elsewhere!
You can only sail your yacht after a Bill of Sale has been issued and officially signed by both Vendor and Buyer and the Deletion Certificate has been issued. Buying a yacht is a fairly lengthy and bureaucratic process here in Greece but many of the procedures are there to safeguard your interests and ensure the yacht is free of debts or any other financial burdens.

Do not be tempted to take any shortcuts or accept any bits of paper presented to you by an eager seller supposedly to speed up the process!






If you need that Survey or any help at all contact me at the earliest at Yachtsurveysgreece.com

Monday 27 February 2017

Birchwood TS37 for sale (New listing).

We have some good friends in Samos Marina, Greece who are selling their Birchwood TS37 Motor Cruiser. Take a look! 
 
I have been on this boat many times and she is in a lovely condition through out. If you are in the market for a 38-footer with a 60K (Euro) budget, look no further! 






Located at this very peaceful marina on a very affordable mooring on the beautiful island of Samos





















The inventory!

Year of manufacture: 1988.
Engines:  2 x Volvo Penta TAMD41A 200hp. (2000 engine hrs). 
Cruising speed: 15 knots  Max 22knots.
Tankage: 1000ltrs fuel - 500 ltrs water.
                                                                                                                      
LOA:                           39 feet – 11.98M
Beam                           12 ft 5ins
Draft                            3 feet 3ins

Equipment:
Raytheon sounder log.
Raytheon Radar.
Raytheon Autopilot.
Furuno SPS.
2 x GPS.
2 VHS radios.
Seaportfishfinder. 
Forward facing sonar.
Phillips GP Navigator.
Target Navtex.

Bowthruster.                                                                                                    
Eberspacher heating.
Canopy to upper helm.
Anchor winch.
                                                           
Boat has 8 berths – twin fwd cabin, drop down double in galley dinette, drop down double in saloon and double in aft cabin with en suite.
New carpets throughout.
Two heads with showers and washbasins.
Galley has 3 burner hob, cooker, microwave and 12/240v fridge.
           
Surveyors comments: Birchwood's TS37 convinced more than 200 owners to purchase her new. And she continues to create plenty of interest on the broker's pontoons. 

Email me with any enquires at info@yachtsurveysgreece.com 

- or contact the owners direct: ann.bob.voyager@gmail.com

Thinking of buying a Yacht in the Greek Islands and need help. UK Yacht Surveyor required for insurance. Need a Marine Consultant. Leros, Athens, Preveza, Lefkas Marine Surveyor.... look no further....

Sunday 12 February 2017

Lagoon 37 Marine Survey

This weeks assignment is in Athens and Vouliagmeni Marina Surveying this Lagoon 37 for sale. 
Construction features balsa-cored hull of isophthalic resins. Bi- and triaxial cloths are used, and watertight bulkheads are installed both fore and aft.
Surveyors comments: Probably the biggest surprise to monohull sailors is that the Lagoon 37 doesn't give up any windward ability. With a pair of NACA-shaped fin keels, she will sail just as high as several modern monohulls! 



Wednesday 11 January 2017

Buying an EX Charter Yacht in Greece

The following update from the YBW.COM forum

Advice on buying a boat in Greece!

Hello! I want to buy a boat in Greece. What are the pitfalls? How do I register VAT paid? Are there any hidden costs? Do I need to go to anyone for advice? I intend to retire and live-aboard in the next year - want to buy now and look around this summer!


YOU dont need to register VAT paid unless you are buying a boat from outside the EU and importing it to an EU member country - in which case VAT has to paid at the level applicable in that country. Much simpler to buy a boat which is already EU country flagged eg UK.


If buying a boat that carries the flag of an EU country make sure that the seller can prove that VAT has been paid. An original VAT invoice is the usual document and should insist that that document should be passed to you as a condition of the sale.

In theory when entering an EU country local customs & excise can ask to see proof that VAT has been paid, although Ive never been asked for it! If you are buying a boat from another EU resident then no VAT is involved, although it is best to get evidence that VAT has been paid. You will find that boats from other countries are likely to have better paperwork trails than many UK boats - particularly older ones. You may also need to get involved in de-registering a boat from another registry, although normally this is the vendor's problem.

Be aware that many Greek boats are ex charter boats, and may be offered ex VAT. This means that you will have to pay the charter operator VAT (23%) for which you will get an invoice. Make sure you include this in your calculations. You will also need to pay to deregister the boat and transfer ownership to you. There are also some older charter boats where VAT has never been paid as before 2002 they were sold (legally) VAT free.

Thinking of Buying a Boat in Greece and need help? 

Friday 6 January 2017

Bavaria 44 Yacht Survey in Lakki Marina Leros Greece

While waiting for the weather to clear in Lakki Marina Leros (38 Knot winds and stormy!) We have picked up another Yacht Survey on this popular Bavaria 44. This was the first Bavaria by J&J Designs, which in 1993 was tasked with giving the range a sharper look and better performance.

J&J introduced bulbed keels and a more efficient rudder design and a sleeker, lower hull profile. The Bavaria 44 is a big yacht in all respects, with six berths in three cabins including a suite forward and a second heads aft. The saloon is not ideally arranged for offshore use but works well in harbour. A charter-orientated Holiday version was also offered, but it tends to fetch lower prices today.

Easily handled by two thanks to her in-mast roller reeling main sail and furling genoa, with all controls tailed back to the cockpit.


 Sleek lines and spacious accommodation which rivals many much larger boats.  

No ferries back to Samos today!


Thinking of buying a boat in the Greek Islands and need help? Contact me at info@yachtsurveysgreece.com